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bob2

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Posted: 7/30/2005 11:02 PM

I am wondering if anyone knows if the Bible says anything about dogs/animals going to heaven when they die?

 

is there anyone who knows of verses that make statements about this?

 



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susi

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Posted: 8/14/2005 11:52 AM

Hi Bob,

I am not religious but I believe that animals go to heaven.  Monty my cat is up there looking down on me.  Dont laugh, but when my parents died, i couldnt go to their graves and so I now imagine them up there with monty on the Settee.  I was very close to my parents and my monty, and I am not looking forward to the day when my two RR´s leave me.  So what ever you believe, it the right thing.

 

love Susi



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susi

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Posted: 8/14/2005 11:56 AM

Hi Bob,

 

Just one more thing that really upset me.  A christian priest once said that animals have no soul. I disagree.

Susi



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bob2

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Posted: 8/14/2005 6:00 PM

I guess they, this is what i found on the issue.

 

 

 

Before going on, it is most important to state that if pets do go to heaven, their owners will also have to go to heaven to see them. The Bible makes it clear that the majority of people will not go to heaven—see Matthew chapter 7, verses 13 and 14 (Mat 7:13,14) for one example. Therefore, it is critical that we remind everyone that they need to get right with God themselves or their chances of seeing a departed pet again are zero.

There are numerous examples of animals associated with heaven (including 2 Kings 2:11, Revelation 5:13 and 19:11-14) or the “new creation” (Isaiah 65:17-25). Still, the question is “were these animals new creations or do these animals include reborn earthly creatures?” Let’s look at the facts.

  • Both mankind and animals are formed from the ground (Genesis 2:7, 19). This reveals that the physical bodies of both are similar, but it does not tell us about their immortality.
  • God’s covenant with Noah included both people and animals (Genesis 9:9-11). However, that covenant was not one of eternal life, but that He would not again destroy the earth with a flood.
  • The fourth commandment as recorded in Deuteronomy 5:12-15 includes a Sabbath rest for animals as well as people. Again, it reveals some equality between people and animals, but makes no statement regarding animals going to heaven.
  • God takes care of both men and animals (see Matthew 6:26 and Psalm 104—verses 14 and 27-30 in particular). Although death is mentioned in Psalm 104:29, we learn nothing regarding an afterlife.
  • At some future time, Christ (a Rod from the stem of Jesse) will bring about a time of peace where all animals and man will be in harmony (Isaiah 11:1-9). Still, the description is not necessarily of heaven, and these animals are not necessarily reborn animals.

Notice the recurring theme, although animals are our “equals” in some ways, none of these passages tells us anything about whether an animal has eternal life.

Some writers claim that “all things” in passages like Acts 3:19-21, Philippians 3:20,21, Hebrews 2:8, and Revelation 21:5 include animals. The passage in Romans 8:18-25 certainly does include animals as part of “the creation.” Still, none of these passages reveals that the animals and plants included in “the creation” are reborn rather than newly created.

Ephesians 1:3-14 is a passage that speaks of redemption through Christ’s sacrifice. (Redemption concerns setting someone or something free that belonged to another.) Specifically, verse 10 states “that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him.” Here, “all things” is universal—spiritual and material. That is, this passage is speaking about bringing everything back to a perfect “Genesis chapter 1” condition. Again, this does not directly comment on the eternal life of animals.

A Special Comment—This Topic’s Most Popular Passage

Probably the most commonly cited passage used for “proof” that animals go to heaven is Ecclesiastes chapter 3, verses 18-22. Since it is so commonly cited, we will examine Ecclesiastes chapter 3 in some detail.

First, King Solomon wrote Ecclesiastes. He was (next to Christ) the wisest man to walk the earth. He was also the wealthiest person in the world and could have anything he wanted. As a result, he experimented with everything that this world could offer him. It takes little reading in the book of Ecclesiastes to learn the conclusion: all that the world could provide was meaningless.

Next, let’s look at Ecclesiastes chapter 3, verses 10 and 11:

    10 I have seen the God-given task with which the sons of men are to be occupied.
    11 He has made everything beautiful in its time. Also He has put eternity in their hearts, except that no one can find out the work that God does from beginning to end.

Here we learn that God put eternity into the hearts of people. This makes a distinction between man and beast—not a physical distinction, but a spiritual one. (Notice the contrast with the other Bible passages dealing with animals. They do not refer to eternity or immortality.)

Next, verses 15 to 17 reveal that judgment is coming for wicked people:

    15 That which is has already been,
    And what is to be has already been;
    And God requires an account of what is past.

    16 Moreover I saw under the sun:

    In the place of judgment,
    Wickedness was there;
    And in the place of righteousness,
    Iniquity was there.

    17 I said in my heart,

    “God shall judge the righteous and the wicked,
    For there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.”

Of course, the average Jew (the original readers of this Bible text) probably thought, “this does not apply to me,” since they believed that physically being born a Jew (God’s chosen people) was their guarantee of entrance into heaven. Therefore, the text continues:

    18 I said in my heart, “Concerning the condition of the sons of men, God tests them, that they may see that they themselves are like animals.”
    19 For what happens to the sons of men also happens to animals; one thing befalls them: as one dies, so dies the other. Surely, they all have one breath; man has no advantage over animals, for all is vanity.
    20 All go to one place: all are from the dust, and all return to dust.

This puts the Jewish reader “in his place” (along with the rest of us). In verses 18-20, the perspective is clearly that of a physical comparison of man to animals. (Solomon already made the spiritual distinction of man in verses 10 and 11.) Now in verses 18-20, we see that both have breath, both die, and both go back to dust. These physical comparisons point towards a completely meaningless existence (from a physical or worldly perspective).

With the a spiritual distinction made in verses 10-11, and the physical comparison made in verses 18-20, we now come to verses 21 and 22. They ask two questions that bring the reader to the point of the entire chapter (and the entire book of Ecclesiastes, for that matter).

Question one:
21 Who knows the spirit of the sons of men, which goes upward, and the spirit of the animal, which goes down to the earth?

Answer: The “who” is God.

Question two:
22 So I perceived that nothing is better than that a man should rejoice in his own works, for that is his heritage.[1] For who can bring him to see what will happen after him?

Answer: Again, the “who” is God.

That is the point of Ecclesiastes: this world and what it has to offer us is meaningless by itself, therefore turn towards God, where you can find meaning. As Ecclesiastes states in chapter 12, verse 13:

    Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:

    Fear God and keep His commandments,
    For this is man’s all.

[1] Note: People’s works only have to be their (meaningless) heritage if they ignore God. Anyone who gets right with God will have an eternal existence with Him forever in his kingdom. This is a heritage worth having.

So, where does that leave us? It leaves us with the truth—the Bible is silent regarding an afterlife for animals. However, we do have one hope. The key passage for this question does not deal with animals directly, but rather God’s promise to those who inherit God’s kingdom—those people who have gotten right with God and will go to heaven themselves. For them, the passage in 1 Corinthians chapter 2 applies:

    7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory,
    8 which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
    9 But as it is written:

    “Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
    Nor have entered into the heart of man
    The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”


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pangaya

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Posted: 9/07/2005 10:35 PM

Unfortunately  this is only one point of view. And a point of view of a people who believed that if you stuck slats of wood in front of your goats or sheep that they would turn out stiped and spotted!

There must be other info in other texts in other religions that have other references to animals spirits. I'm sure you would get a much better rendition of whether animlas have souls, an after life, or reincarnate, or got to heaven by looking at religions that were perhaps a little closer to the animals, and perhaps regarded them differently. I mean would a Native American want to go to a place where there were no animals? and does that alone make him a heathen?

It doesn't sound like there are many chosen ones in any religion so I think it's pretty safe to say that well we would be egotistical to think much more of ourselves wouldn't we? I certainly am not saying that we should not be bettering ourselves through our thoughts, actions and deeds. Pangaya



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foursaken

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Posted: 2/13/2006 12:22 PM

I do not believe in a heaven.  However, I have never truly met a mean or evil animal, never once in my life.  Animals, even the misguided ones, are always innocent and purely good.  Nothing bad can await them at death.  I hope this comforts you.

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bob2

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Posted: 2/13/2006 1:10 PM

"I have never truly met a mean or evil animal"

I have seen the documentaries that support the belief that animals in deed do mean things..

Has anyone here seen video studies done that clearly illustrate how animals actually commit vengeful acts of violence and punishmnet?

It will certainly be hard for some people to believe because it upsets the apple cart..

My belief after viewing the videos and data is that certain animals do in deed have bad souls and commit acts of punishment and other bad spirited deeds...

bob

 



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